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主题: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-27, 周三 15:44:23
刚健朴实双打+22 vs AC 2d12+16+5wis+2d8quarry+6ice , RBA则是+24 Vs AC 1d12+20+5wis+3ice, 够抱政委大腿
隐藏属性则是2个遭遇imm打, 触发条件很容易, 控场和Damage很强大, 外带一stance daily, 一个遭遇1d6, . 整个Cleric Side只有一个At will需要攻, 但依旧能补血(3个遭遇补, 一个Daily群补), 总地来说Control和Leader作为Secondary貌似没大问题, 就是striker上得多些DPS

求装备专长Power建议, +22在17级不怎么能看...

con15是为了Epic穿2层皮...


Erdan, level 17
Elf, Ranger|Cleric, Sylvan Archer
Hybrid Ranger: Hybrid Ranger Fortitude
Hybrid Talent: Channel Divinity (Hybrid Cleric)
Background: Cormyr (Wheloon) (Cormyr (Wheloon) Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 9, Con 16, Dex 22, Int 11, Wis 20, Cha 12.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 15, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11.


AC: 31 Fort: 31 Reflex: 31 Will: 30
HP: 108 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 27

TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +22, Thievery +20, Acrobatics +18, Perception +22, Nature +20

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +8, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Dungeoneering +13, Endurance +10, Heal +13, History +8, Insight +13, Intimidate +9, Religion +8, Streetwise +9, Athletics +6

FEATS
Level 1: Wintertouched
Level 2: Hybrid Talent
Level 4: Primal Sharpshooter
Level 6: Weapon Proficiency (Greatbow)
Level 8: Weapon Expertise (Bow)
Level 10: Weapon Focus (Bow)
Level 11: Primal Eye
Level 12: Lethal Hunter
Level 14: Improved Defenses
Level 16: Lasting Frost

POWERS
Channel Divinity (Hybrid Cleric): Healer's Mercy
Hybrid at-will 1: Twin Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Silvery Arrow
Primal Sharpshooter: Biting Swarm
Hybrid encounter 1: Prophetic Guidance
Hybrid daily 1: Skirmishing Stance
Hybrid utility 2: Invigorating Stride
Hybrid encounter 3: Disruptive Strike
Hybrid daily 5: Weapon of the Gods
Hybrid utility 6: Bastion of Health
Hybrid encounter 7: Searing Light
Hybrid daily 9: Attacks on the Run
Hybrid utility 10: Mass Cure Light Wounds
Hybrid encounter 13: Pinning Strike (replaces Searing Light)
Hybrid daily 15: Confounding Arrows (replaces Skirmishing Stance)
Hybrid utility 16: Hallowed Ground
Hybrid encounter 17: Pounding Barrage (replaces Pinning Strike)

ITEMS
Summoned Feyhide Armor +4, Piwafwi +4, Eagle Eye Goggles (paragon tier), Boots of Quickness (heroic tier), Diamond Cincture (heroic tier), Symbol of Hope +1, Bracers of Archery (heroic tier), Dice of Auspicious Fortune (paragon tier), Frost Greatbow +4, Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (heroic tier), Gloves of Ice (paragon tier), Cloak of the Chirurgeon +1, Bag of Holding (heroic tier)





主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 所罗门2010-10-27, 周三 15:52:48
最近流行这个吗……
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-27, 周三 16:04:40
改了冰弓和冰弱系列...Damage大概多了那么一点...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 桑特2010-10-27, 周三 16:08:31
AD你发个CB格式的下载,群众看这表看不出东西。。。 :em003
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-27, 周三 16:13:30
传了, 忘了算冰Shard的1和Gloves of Ice...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 桑特2010-10-27, 周三 16:25:52
--刚想说兼SEEKER。。。结果居然己经兼了。。。。
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-27, 周三 16:33:07
其实Vers Expertise应该换Bow Expertise, 非常Situational的额外+2...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 桑特2010-10-27, 周三 16:36:22
求教Bow Expertise在牛逼是什么效果。。。。
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-27, 周三 16:38:49
周围没人额外damage
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 03:04:21
修正了一些错误, 继续求优化.
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: poorlunch2010-10-29, 周五 04:04:40
/me 作为一只新人表示牛逼版什么的太遥远了……
感觉上咱只有学习的份,要加命中恐怕只能继续找奇怪的装备?反正av是个坑……

另:gambler's word是个不错的专长,尤其是mc牧师……不过现在这牧师已经有遭遇三次heal,似乎还是堆伤害比较实在。
其实,既然都冰武器了,更没牙一点进光耀党会不会伤害更高?反正学个专长打出光弱了就可以换成无属性伤害继续打,也不怕敌人的光系抗力……比起来还能省个专长……
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 04:42:15
早晨老大问题是power一堆法器, 而且需要silver arrow打中, 浪费Standard...当然也可以靠特殊装备+雷弓将所有damage转为radiant...
其实我觉得最主要的问题是早晨老大很有可能在下一次被勘误掉...冰系据内部人士说法反而靠谱点...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: poorlunch2010-10-29, 周五 06:05:22
早晨老大勘误么……感觉似乎是应该的 >_<

ad不如试试ranger混monk然后mc牧师吧。反正你这build的control都是ranger威能。混和尚了法器问题直接解决,治疗用gamble专长变成1次遭遇+1次每日。好处是AC更高,多了一堆和尚的保命威能,必要时还能上去近战。

唔,伤害少了mc seeker的……这个比较糟糕……有违build的本意,于是当我没说吧。
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 06:23:51
哦哦哦! 我确实忘了还有Ki focus这回事和基佬的Wis上HS!
然而不用精灵Damage少了5...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: poorlunch2010-10-29, 周五 07:00:42
和尚的特性是擅长武器同样可以当法器。所以你可以+4武器或者+4ki focus二选一。然后早晨老大的法器就也解决了……我提和尚主要就是解决进早晨的麻烦 :P

wis上hs靠mc牧师是学不到的,因为mc只能在healing word跟healer's mercy里面二选一。不过你原来的混职build确实可以加就是,只是似乎专长紧张了一些~~

对了,是不是现在的mc规矩是兼职了就可以用那种法器,而不是以前的只能用法器放mc职业的威能?似乎cb上面大部分mc feat的说明都改了,就是initiate of the faith的说明似乎忘了改~~

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为啥不用精灵?敏捷感知同样是这属性啊……干吗要换种族…… >_<
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 09:33:52

Ferzth, level 17
Githzerai, Ranger|Cleric, Battlefield Archer
Hybrid Ranger: Hybrid Ranger Fortitude
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Bow)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)
Hybrid Talent: Ranger Fighting Style
Ranger Fighting Style: Archer Fighting Style (Hybrid)
Background: Cormyr (Wheloon) (Cormyr (Wheloon) Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 9, Con 14, Dex 22, Int 11, Wis 22, Cha 12.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 13, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 11.


AC: 31 Fort: 30 Reflex: 31 Will: 31
HP: 114 Surges: 12 Surge Value: 28

TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +22, Insight +21, Acrobatics +20, Perception +21, Thievery +20

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +8, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Dungeoneering +14, Endurance +9, Heal +14, History +8, Intimidate +9, Nature +14, Religion +8, Streetwise +9, Athletics +15

FEATS
Level 1: Monastic Disciple
Level 2: Lethal Hunter
Level 4: Versatile Expertise
Level 6: Weapon Proficiency (Greatbow)
Level 8: Hybrid Talent
Level 10: Wintertouched
Level 11: Zuoken's Centering
Level 12: Imporved Defenses
Level 14: Lasting Frost
Level 16: Weapon Focus (Bow)

POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Twin Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Sacred Flame
Monastic Disciple: Centered Flurry of Blows
Hybrid encounter 1: Prophetic Guidance
Hybrid daily 1: Skirmishing Stance
Hybrid utility 2: Invigorating Stride
Hybrid encounter 3: Disruptive Strike
Hybrid daily 5: Weapon of the Gods
Hybrid utility 6: Bastion of Health
Hybrid encounter 7: Biting Volley
Hybrid daily 9: Attacks on the Run
Hybrid utility 10: Mass Cure Light Wounds
Hybrid encounter 13: Remorse (replaces Biting Volley)
Hybrid daily 15: Confounding Arrows (replaces Skirmishing Stance)
Hybrid utility 16: Hallowed Ground
Hybrid encounter 17: Pounding Barrage (replaces Prophetic Guidance)

ITEMS
Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (heroic tier), Frost Greatbow +4, Piwafwi +4, Summoned Feyhide Armor +4, Boots of Quickness (heroic tier), Gloves of Ice (paragon tier), Bracers of Archery (heroic tier), Diamond Cincture (heroic tier), Diadem of Acuity (heroic tier), Symbol of Hope +1, Bag of Holding (heroic tier), Dice of Auspicious Fortune (paragon tier), Cloak of the Chirurgeon +1, Backlash Tattoo (heroic tier)


Damage少了5, 但HS赶上Defender了...每遭遇一个AP倒是能补很多...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 09:40:33
和尚的特性是擅长武器同样可以当法器。所以你可以+4武器或者+4ki focus二选一。然后早晨老大的法器就也解决了……我提和尚主要就是解决进早晨的麻烦 :P

wis上hs靠mc牧师是学不到的,因为mc只能在healing word跟healer's mercy里面二选一。不过你原来的混职build确实可以加就是,只是似乎专长紧张了一些~~


我说的是Wis上拿过HS总...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 桑特2010-10-29, 周五 09:55:19
又见基佬卡。。。
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 09:57:40
基佬考虑战斗的话是个很好的种族...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: 桑特2010-10-29, 周五 10:16:17
基佬考虑战斗的话是个很好的种族...

我们只要把基佬的尖耳想象成AD的喵耳,把绿皮想象成AD刷绿漆就好了。。。。 :em003
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: BWM2010-10-29, 周五 11:57:44
等級5 daily 可以考慮
Spitting Cobra Stance (Ranger, MP p47) 這個有勘弱成immediate reaction.
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-29, 周五 12:14:38
主要是混职必须有个cleric daily...
主题: Re: [4E]17级Ranger|Cleric求优化
作者: aland2010-10-30, 周六 06:19:50
level 17
Wilden, Ranger|Cleric, Darkstrider
Hybrid Ranger: Hybrid Ranger Fortitude
Hardy Form: Hardy Form Fortitude
Background: Luskan (Luskan Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 9, Con 14, Dex 22, Int 11, Wis 22, Cha 12.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 13, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 11.


AC: 31 Fort: 31 Reflex: 30 Will: 31
HP: 106 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 26

TRAINED SKILLS
Dungeoneering +19, Insight +21, Thievery +19, Perception +21, Stealth +28

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +13, Arcana +8, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Endurance +9, Heal +14, History +8, Intimidate +9, Nature +16, Religion +8, Streetwise +9, Athletics +6

FEATS
Level 1: Twilight Adept
Level 2: Hunter's Aim
Level 4: Weapon Expertise (Bow)
Level 6: Weapon Proficiency (Greatbow)
Level 8: Silvery Glow
Level 10: Skill Focus (Stealth)
Level 11: Acolyte Power
Level 12: Paragon Defenses
Level 14: Lasting Frost
Level 16: Wintertouched

POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Twin Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Silvery Arrow
Hybrid encounter 1: Prophetic Guidance
Hybrid daily 1: Skirmishing Stance
Hybrid utility 2: Invigorating Stride
Hybrid encounter 3: Disruptive Strike
Hybrid daily 5: Weapon of the Gods
Hybrid utility 6: Bastion of Health
Hybrid encounter 7: Biting Volley
Hybrid daily 9: Attacks on the Run
Hybrid utility 10: Mass Cure Light Wounds
Hybrid encounter 13: Remorse (replaces Biting Volley)
Hybrid daily 15: Confounding Arrows (replaces Skirmishing Stance)
Hybrid utility 16: Divine Armor (retrained to Hide in Plain Sight at Acolyte Power)
Hybrid encounter 17: Pounding Barrage (replaces Remorse)

ITEMS
Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (heroic tier), Frost Greatbow +4, Piwafwi +4, Gloves of Ice (paragon tier), Bracers of Archery (heroic tier), Diamond Cincture (heroic tier), Diadem of Acuity (heroic tier), Symbol of Hope +1, Bag of Holding (heroic tier), Dice of Auspicious Fortune (paragon tier), Cloak of the Chirurgeon +1, Backlash Tattoo (heroic tier), Magic Feyhide Armor +4, Boots of Eagerness (heroic tier), Symbol of Victory +2




改着改着就变成Wis上Damage了...